EmeraldCityEagle98 wrote:FootballFan4343 wrote:EmeraldCityEagle98 wrote:All this long convo and it just is what it is! AN EXCUSE not to win! TL Hanna is not the largest school in 5a AND they play multiple players both ways. Why are they winning? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A COACH THAT DOESN'T MAKE THESE KIND OF EXCUSES. PERIOD
Again, you are missing the point. The facts show that historically the state champions are the larger schools in each classification. The smallest schools in each classification rarely, if ever, win state championships.
Your statement about TL Hanna is in fact true, they are not the largest school in 5A. They are right in the middle of 5A enrollment. So, while they aren't the largest, they certainly aren't the smallest. But, they are a mere 25 students from being in the top half of 5A schools in terms of enrollment. So don't play the card that they are this tiny school that is "beating the odds".
TL Hanna is playing multiple players both ways so obviously whatever enrollment they have isn't helping them much. If your theory is true then they should have lost to Dorman who I believe is 2nd in enrollment. Hanna wins because they have a championship minded coach. Not because of enrollment. Dutch fork isn't the biggest 5a school either. Both will be playing for the 5a title I believe. Both have good coaches and neither were anything in football better their respective coaches got there.
Let me repeat, AGAIN. I never said the bigger school always wins. I have said the enrollment does matter and the facts show it in terms of state championships. VERY rarely do the teams at the bottom of each classification compete for state championships and furthermore, the ones with continued success, historically, are larger schools in that classification. Never once have I said that ALL of the larger schools, in each classification compete for state championships. Instead, the facts HAVE SHOWN, that the smallest schools in each classification do not regularly compete for State Championships, instead its the teams that are in the top 50% of enrollment in each classification. So, despite what you want to continue to beat home, the facts tell a different story.
Of your list of teams that haven't won a state title, many of those are in the bottom half or even some are the smallest in terms of classification: Riverside, Wade Hampton, Socastee, St. James, Easley, JL Mann, Woodmont, Colleton County, South Florence. So, I would say that the fact they are continuously playing as the the smallest schools in their classification, that would play a role.
In the case of Ashley Ridge, West Ashley, White Knoll, and Cane Bay, they are some of the larger schools. But also, keep in mind they are relatively newer and of the schools you mentioned that have a "championship style" schools like Northwestern and Dorman took them 20 plus years to win a state title.
As for your schools you mention in your list, every one of those are in the top half of enrollment in their classification. In fact: Byrnes is the 5th largest, Dorman is the 2nd largest, Sumter is #6, Dutch Fork #13.
In the case of Northwestern and Greenwood, they have struggled in the playoffs since the 5A classification (which made them a middle of the road school enrollment size), whereas when they played 4A-II they were two of the biggest D-2 schools competing. NW and Greenwood's state championships this millenium were all won at the 4A-II level where they were one of the biggest schools.
As for your final statement that Lamar, Abbeville, Dillon, and HArtsville could regularly beat those teams, first off, we don't know as they dont "regularly" play them. Secondly, even if they would, that doesn't negate the fact that has been made over and over again.
So, let me repeat....Enrollment size does play a role in competing for state championships.
The FACTS show that the smallest schools in each classification RARELY EVER compete for state championships. They may have a year where they make a run, but they never have continued success.
Why you may ask? Because when they get to the playoffs, they play bigger schools, which then beat them. So then kids don't want to come out and play for a program that always loses, which in turn leads to good coaches not coming, which in turn makes the program worse, which makes people not come to the games, which means the $$ don't roll in, and so the cycle continues.
I appreciate your opinion, but look at the facts. Please, show me a school at or near the bottom of their classification (in terms of enrollment) that consistently competes for State Championships. The fact is, you can't, because I tried and the facts just aren't there.